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To indyref2 or not to indyref2: that is the question Telegraph Political Editor Ben Riley-Smith posed to Michael Gove this week. Ben joins Christopher Hope to discuss how his interview has caused ripples across Scotland, and why he wouldn’t hold his breath over (I think?) Scottish independence as long as Boris Johnson remains Prime Minister.

Plus author of the official history of the Royal Yacht Britannia Richard Johnstone-Bryden presents his passionate defence of launching a replacement flagship, comparing it to AirForce1, and William Wragg MP on having the dubious honour of being the Tories' most rebellious MP, and why he hopes it rules him out of a cabinet position.

Watch Ben's documentary, 'Scottish Independence - The Union has never been in a more perilous state' here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxfbESCyXG0|

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